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Qpawn ID: Eryk
Previous characters: Jakob De Vos (Belgium), Eryk Bielecki (PR Poland), Konrad Schaefer (West Germany), Ignacio Ibanez (Argentina)

Candidate name: Deng Xiaoping
Powerbases (pick three):
- Communist Party - Reform
- Military
- Peasants
Sino-Soviet Split: (How will you handle the current crisis that has arisen between the USSR and PRC? How will you handle the Sino-Soviet Split in general?)

Firstly, the situation must be cleared up by an apology from the People's Republic of China for the recent murder of the Soviet soldiers as well as generally apologizing for any preceding border incursions by the People's Liberation Army. Secondly, I would quickly sign a short treaty with the Soviet Union in order to prevent any future disagreements along the border. I would avoid making any serious concessions as the Sino-Soviet Split is going on, making such a move unrealistic. I would avoid excessive contact with the Soviet Union, only when necessary such as on topics of the Vietnam War, or in case moderation decides to have some entertainment out of us and present me another set of murdered Soviet soldiers. However, once again little unnecessary contact, an apology possibly attached along with a short treaty.

As for the Sino-Soviet Split in general, I would slowly progress toward creating Chinese influence in the region in order to remove North Korea as well as North Vietnam from under Soviet influence. They have already leaned toward Maoism, however the Soviet Union has been taking on a daringly increasing amount of time and money in North Vietnam and the loyalty of Vietnam must be won back and their government must learn to follow the orders of the Chinese capital, not Moscow. The same issue is with North Korea. They must be brought under Chinese influence and protection in order to keep a buffer state between the American-dominated South Korea and should be financed if necessary by the Chinese government. Avoiding major conflict with the Soviet Union will be a priority, however it is time for China to take a leading roll in the diplomatic area of the world stage and actively pursue the Soviet Union in order to chase it out of the position as the leading communist nation. Disagreements with the Soviet Union should by far exist and they should be voiced even if it means taking on the Warsaw Pact diplomatically as well. The Soviet's are traitors of true communism after all, and Chinese diplomats should not be afraid to portray it as such.

Plans (250 words):

Economy:

Deng Xiaoping is a major and leading reformer of the Communist Party when it comes to economic matters. Famous for his quote "It doesn't matter whether it is a yellow cat or a black cat, a cat that catches mice is a good cat." He would like to apply this to economic thought and preform necessary reforms in both the agricultural China and the urban one. Firstly he supports agrarian reform which would be aimed at improving the quality of life where it is the lowest. Chinese farmers will be granted a plot of state-owned land where they shall be given a drastically lower quota to produce whilst at the same time allowing many more farms to arise. If a farmer succeeds to produce more than is required by the quota he will be allowed to sell off the remainder without any significant taxation by the government on a free market for whatever price he chooses to sell it for. It should be noted that he intends to introduce a flexible quota for farmers, so those who have a lower output rate than others due to whatever reason shall have a lower quota whilst more room for profit whilst those which have a massive output and massive profit shall be expected to secede more to the government. Furthermore he supports introducing the Household-responsibility system where locals shall be responsible for profits and losses later in time. Finally, introducing the ability to produce cash-crops for farmers is a necessity however food quotas of these farmers must also be met.

The need of reforming industry is also a serious matter. Introduction of a dual-price system and enabling local enterprise managers to have greater autonomy in what they do and how they direct production will be key in order to increase the productivity of Chinese industry. Furthermore, Township and Village Enterprises much be formed and their production of goods must remain out of central government hands. Instead, local governments should direct what these enterprises produce, and the end result is to have market-oriented public enterprises with large general output and allowing for greater employment among the Chinese workforce. It is necessary to remove barriers for international trade. Communism calls for internationalism, yet China lacks this severely and since the Sino-Soviet split such isolationism is not needed. Eliminating import quotas and tarrifs is a necessity and China should remain open to trade from countries such as the United States or Japan. These nations have experienced massive success and China must learn from their steel, coal, automotive and other heavy industries as well as light industries in order to provide the newest technological advances to the industrial sector as well as improve overall employment and productivity.

Finally, China can and should open itself to foreign investment in order to become a relevant nation in the world which it seeks to become. Deng supports the creation of Special Economic Zones in the largest cities of China and in the port cities along the Pacific Ocean. These would obviously have no state intervention and hopefully allow these areas to experience larger growth which would in turn benefit all of China. Perhaps the wealth of these regions and their technological advancement could be brought on to the inner provinces of China in order to provide for the lower quality of life there and evening out of the distortions which this would create. Certainly such economic zones should be created in Western China as well. Last, the Value added Tax (or VAT) should be removed for those companies which produce surpluses and manage to export goods from China whilst maintaining a Chinese workforce. Tax incentives for such companies should be granted in order to provide for greater productivity and wealth of such companies and allow them for future expansion to even greater proportions.

Domestic Policies:

Deng supports the primarily the idea of state-owned healthcare as well as progressive ideas such as abortion and others including population control of the ever growing Chinese population. Firstly, he supports allocating more funding to the Chinese healthcare system and with the greater contact with Western nations through his economic policies hopes to introduce the newest technological developments in the West to Chinese hospitals. Build more, more technologically advanced hospitals as well as providing the best and most informed medical staff he hopes to build an efficient state-owned healthcare system which will provide for everybody. Building hospitals in rurual areas however, will be his priority. Furthermore, he supports allowing abortion on demand and implementation of a population control policy in order to lessen the strain on the Chinese economy as well as on the Chinese people themselves. The greater the population, the harder it is to provide for and for such a number of people to have a reasonable future. Thus, he supports abortion if a women would like to preform it on demand, with state-funding granted. He also supports the a law allowing only 2 children per each family. Deng greatly supports the development of Chinese infrastructure and seeing potential in the amount of people it could employ in order to improve it. Beginning a reasonable program to allow for highways as well as railroads especially to Western standards (including forming a proper environment for the potential development of high-speed rail in between major cities).

One of the major issues which will be one of his highest priorities is he reform of the education system within China. The quality of education within China must be drastically improved and state-funding granted to improve the quality of books used at school to encompass more information. The standards in Chinese schools must also be raised, so once a child has finished high-school they have a comprehensive knowledge of Chinese and World History, Mathematics, Sciences, at least one foreign language, Technology and use proper Chinese grammar. These standards to to ensure that even a factory worker will be capable of great things when the challenge arises or the opportunity to develop, and China must have such a skilled work force and variety of citizens available if it is to become a world power and leader of world communism in the world.

Finally, Deng strongly supports with remaining with the current political system which is present in China. His loyalty to Maoist economics may be questionable, however the political system and one-party state in his opinion must remain in order to continue the Chinese Revolution and for the voice of the people of China to be heard by the party.

Foreign Policy:

As one can predict, he is for an open policy with Western nations and supports cooperation with them where it is needed. It should be however stressed that he does not intend to put China under the wing of the United States. Instead, he supports using the United States in order to gain the United Nations Security Seat for the rightful China and tricking the United States into have a passive mood towards South Vietnam. This would be done in a variety of ways, such as deceiving the Americans into thinking that Chinese support for Vietnam is extremely limited whilst in reality China will be exporting a variety of weapons and allowed Chinese troops to serve under the North Vietnamese banner and in North Vietnamese uniforms. Reinforcement and taking over the role of leading supplier and ally of North Vietnam from the Soviet Union is a priority and is essential if China is to restore its dominance over North Vietnam. The Soviets should have a limited role in the war, and if threats must be made against North Vietnam so be it. China must have an iron fist towards North Korea and Vietnam alike, in order to prevent Soviet influence in these nations.

Deng supports relations with the United States and the West to benefit the Chinese economy and technological capability, however not to form alliances or any strong commitments. Despite an open policy, he is not interested in taking sides on the cold war and supports maintaining the stance of neutrality since the Sino-Soviet split. The West can and should be exploited from its friendship towards China, as undoubtedly the United States and the West would want to form at least cordial and cooperative relations with China in order to threaten the Soviet position even more. Such a resolution should be exploited and it can be beneficial for China in the long term, allowing it greater influence in Asia and eventually taking over the revolution from the Soviet Union.

Finally, relations with the Soviets should be avoided as should be any conflicts. The Soviet Union should be treated as if it doesn't exist when we can, however when we cannot we should attack the Soviets in a intelligent manner diplomatically rather than just waging a war of insults at each other. We must make it clear to the world that they are not communists, and that they have significantly diverted from communism and suffering from weak leaders such a Lyakhov which are overridden by their emotions. Like mentioned before, diplomatic battles should not be avoid however military ones certainly.


Re: PRC Nation App (Discussion)

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Qpawn ID:Menzies
Previous characters:omfg... Japan, England, Ethiopia, Romania, Australia, Czeck Republic. N

Candidate name: Jin Youzhi
Powerbases (pick three): Communist Party - Reform, State Security, Peasant....notably, as you'll see in my plan, when I say, "reform" I mean violent reform, and I also would refer to the military as playing a large roll. They're all connected.
Sino-Soviet Split: The Sino-Soviet split is the result of bad border security and provocation by the resigning Harbin. He said in a declaration, Government Officials have revealed future plans to expand and restructure teh PRC'S military. It is widely known that even though the PLA is the largest standing military in the world it lacks behind greatly compared to other world powers technologically. What? No, it doesn't. Sure, it doesn't have tanks and bombers, but it has (1) nukes and (2) people. China's military is only used for two purposes (a) propping up the Vietnamese and the Koreans and the most important (b)controlling the interior region. The PLA is mainly a police force.

In other words, there is no reason that China should be concerned with a war with the Soviets. China will deal with this on a national scale- party purges, military purges, and peasants' revolutions- and an international scale-- holding two party talks with the Soviet Union.

The goals will be such, (1) lasting peace, (2) punishment for the wrong-doers, (3) adherence to National Communist ideals, and (4) a promise to not sign any treaty with a NATO member nation. This will tell the Soviets that we are not a threat.

Plans (250 words):
My plan is to play Jin Youzhi. At the time, he is a history teacher in a school in Beijing, but he is "The Last Emperor's Younger Brother". Adored by the Chinese media for being "ordinary people", Youzhi will be a staging character for me to play with others like, Zhou Enlai and Deng Xhio, as they work behind the scenes to end the Cultural Revolution which has never been officially ended.

The stage begins with the old figurehead sent to Moscow. In China, Zhang Chunqiao, Yao Wenyuan, and Wang Hongwen are hunted down by Zhou Enlai and the PLA. Lin Biao is assassinated. The other three are tried for crimes and stuff and conspiracy for war. Mao is exulted as a demi-God.

This ends the two problems: (1) the cultural revolution and (2) the coming war with Russia.

The third problem is Vietnam. That will be dealt with by trying to get the North to give in to the "Divided Nation" plan. Vietnam is not worth America dog at us, and a divided Vietnam is actually better for China in the long-run. We will have to do this without being very explicit, or the USSR might be a little b****.

So, summary:
(1) Peace with the USSR
(2) Accept Divided Vietnam
(3) Purge the Cultural Revolution


Subject: People's Republic of China - APPS

Qpawn Communism wrote
Hello one and all. Due to the "resignation" of the previous Chinese player, the Mod team has decided to take apps for the People's Republic of China. Right now, they are in dire straits as a looming crisis between China and the USSR has arisen. And we need an experienced player to guide the PRC through this time.

Code
[b]Qpawn ID:[/b]
[b]Previous characters:[/b]

[b]Candidate name:[/b]
[b]Powerbases (pick three):[/b]
[b]Sino-Soviet Split:[/b] (How will you handle the current crisis that has arisen between the USSR and PRC? How will you handle the Sino-Soviet Split in general?)
[b]Plans (250 words):[/b]


Send your apps to me, Qpawn Communism, through the Private Message system. The last day to turn in apps shall be Friday, February 10th and the winner shall be announced on Saturday, February 11th.


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Misael Pastrana Borrero wrote
Qpawn ID: Oakland
Previous characters: Nguyen Minh Triet - Vietnam, Rainer Barzel - West Germany, Misael Pastrana Borrero - Colombia

Candidate name: Deng Xiaoping
Powerbases (pick three): Communist Party - Reform, Military, Peasants
Sino-Soviet Split: (How will you handle the current crisis that has arisen between the USSR and PRC? How will you handle the Sino-Soviet Split in general?) Before more innocent lives are killed, we need to sit down with the Soviet Union in a neutral territory and put an end to this once and for all.
Plans (250 words): We need to focus on the four modernizations put forth by Comrade Zhou: agriculture, industry, national defense, and science and technology. Chairman Mao focused on the agricultural sector near the end of his term and Chairman Harbin focused on national defense. All four sectors need to be tended to equally and have the chance to grow. As Chairman, I will look to spread agriculture, grow industry, boost national security by modernizing the Chinese military and expanding it, and investing in a space program that will put China in space by 1976.

China is at the primary state of socialism. Because of the importance of this stage, it needs a market to establish itself. As Chairman, I will allow for farmers to choose who they sell their produce to and creating material incentives. I will also allow for the individual local governments to make local-level investments on which industries they see the most beneficial. I believe that this will create an economic equilibrium of investment, due to China's diverse economy. I will also look to increase foreign trade. Capitalism can exist in a planned economy. It is when it is the primary owner of the economy that the working class suffers.

As for foreign policy, I've stated how I will handle the Soviet Union. I will also look to cement relations with Pakistan and other countries in the Arab world.

As for politics, the Communist Party needs to operate China by upholding four basic principles:

1. The Spirit of Communism
2. The Communist Political System
3. The Leadership of the Communist Party
4. Marxism-Leninism and Mao Zedong Thought

These four basic principles, for the sake of the state, need to be upheld no matter what, or else, the state will fall.


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Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:44 pm Post
Menzies...no...just no.

Eyrk, good, but has recent history.

Oakland, unknown.


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Menzies...no...just no.

Eyrk, good, but has recent history.

Oakland, unknown.


Largely agreed. Menzies appears to wish to start WWIII. Oakland seems on the other hand to want to forget about the Sino-Soviet split like Harbin did. The caveat with Oakland's app is that he doesn't really say either way. Perhaps someone should ask him to spell it out in much greater detail.

Eryk has the history in Poland and West Germany to consider. The backstabbing the West after getting the UNSC seat isn't great but isn't unreasonable either, so long as economically, he shifts West as Deng would have done. Deng was a state capitalist more or less, and his foreign policy was very much a "don't offend anyone because conflict gets in the way of economic growth". He was all about economic growth and modernization. I do question how McGovern would relate to him. Knowing Kass, I assume he would destroy the economic cooperation the moment the political and military went, which would force Deng, were he played accurately, into keeping the political and military cooperation going. I don't know that McGovern has the nuance that a real life Nixon would provide the relationship.


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I think currently as it stands Eryks app is very good. Just looking at the foreign policy though, it seems that he wants to restore Chinese dominance over Vietnam and Korea. This is something im sure would be good for China and something that many party members want. However, the USSR has a strong influence over both and Lyakhov is not the easiest to negotiate with. As the North Vietnamese player I know who I depend on and follow more and it is the USSR. It will be very hard to win the support of both North Vietnam and North Korea because the USSR have been more committed than the PRC under both Mao and Harbin.

Oakland is a candidate that did not mention Vietnam and Vietnam has a large role with the border issues as well. I think we need someone with a much more clear strategy on the border issue as it needs to be solved rather quickly. Sitting down with the USSR and trying to reach an agreement without a strategy probably wont work because the PRC will have to make tough choices when negotiating with Lyakhov, some choices that they probably dont want to do. That would anger the home base yet again.

Menzies app to me will not lead the PRC anywhere. The PRC will not lead socialism under him and Lyakhov will continue to extend his influence to Vietnam and Korea. This is another thing many were angry about. If he did make peace with the USSR, he would probably give up to much and anger his power bases at home.

I know I spoke mainly on Vietnam and the border issue but thats what I know best seeing that I am quite involved with it because of playing Thang. For the countries economics Id say Oakland would do best. Based on player history, we have had difficulty with Menzies and Eryk I dont think we had any with Oakland. I think that so far Eryk would be a good player for the PRC.


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Well, My take is I support Oakland's app.

However, I would feel infinitely more comfortably choosing him if he can put more detail into his app. I think we need to ask him some questions, as we do all the candidates, and then depending on their answers, we can then make an informed decision. That could also double as us being the CPC leadership and military establishment asking each candidate why we should support them. Also, if we do not like a part in their app as of right now, voice it. I know some of you have problems with Menzies app. I would like to know why so I can tell him, that way if he wants to drop it from his app he can. Likewise with the other candidates.

Here is some questions I think we should ask, based on each candidate.

Oakland/Deng Xiaoping:

Questions:

1) What will your relations with Vietnam be?

2) What will your relations with North Korea be?

3) Will you seek to work more closely with the US Government?

4) How will you seek to settle the Sino-Soviet Split? Will you stand up for China? (We should also press him on ackowledging the fact that the majority of CPC members and military want Beijing to become independent)

Is there any more we should ask?

Concerns:

Concerns I have with his app is his lack of detail. Especially on the Sino-Soviet Split. I do believe we should make it clear that Beijing wants to be more independent from Moscow and instead become the leader of the International Communist Movement.

Any more concerns?


Menzies/Jin Youzhi:

Questions:

1) How will you make Mao a "demi-god" as he is dead?

2)Will you basically be doing the Lin Biao incident storyline, where Lin Biao was attempting a coup? Or will he be assassinated and the Gang of Three blamed or what?

Is there any more we should ask?

Concerns:

HE might start a war. ANd he might devolve the PRC into Civil War.

Any more concerns?

Eryk/Deng Xiaoping:

Questions:

1) How will you go about gaining influence in Vietnam, especially with the already deep connections between the DRV and USSR there?

2) How will you balance out working with North Vietnam and trying to work with the US? What about the timeline? Will you be trying to work with the US and the DRV at the same time, or one fore the other? (If the US finds out about your plans to double cross them in the DRV, then they could very well not receive the UNSC seat, being as how McBomber is. In fact, one of McBombers points for giving the UNSC to the PRC is the PRC making the DRV accept a two state solution ((like what happened in RL)) so the US can save face and pull out.)

Is there any more we should ask?

Concerns:

Eryk has a habit of using emotion in his posts. That could led to a gradual rise of tensions, and both Lyakhov and Eryk lack in diplomatic skills sometimes. This could results in upping tensions higher than they currently are. Also, I have concerns with his idea to try to work not only with the US, but with the DRV. That would be hard to pull off, especially with McBomber. That is my take on it.

Any more concerns?


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Thoughts? Any more questions I should ask them?

If not, I'll just send them my concerns and questions and then depending on their answers appoint the nation.


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Im fine with those questions. They clear up the concerns I have.
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