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Atrocities in Kurdistan

Atrocities in Kurdistan


Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:03 pm Post
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NATO was assured that these atrocities would not happen. Now, they have. In short, what does Turkey have to say for itself after this report?
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Re: Atrocities in Kurdistan


Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:44 pm Post
That the report is distorted.

Anyone executed has been done so under martial law for treason as terrorists.

No Civilians are being rounded up, only those who have been supporting the PKK a terrorist organisation that even the EU classifys as Terrorists.

Where do you get the right to challenge how we conduct our internal politics? What has NATO done for Turkey except stand by while our nation is torn apart. Only the USA and UK came to our aide. NATO would have seen us cede huge swathes of land to these Terrorists.

No, now is the time for perhaps Turkey to leave the idea of NATO and the EU forever and look East where there seek to effect the internal politics of others far less.


Re: Atrocities in Kurdistan


Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:45 pm Post
Really? Interfering with internal politics?

Let me show you some numbers right here. There are 3.5 million Turks who currently live in Germany. They form Germany's largest ethnic minority, and almost 1.7 million of those have Turkish citizenship. Let us say those people started rioting and wanted to break away somehow.

Now imagine they formed the majority of the people in a partAnd then they started using that to take up arms against the rest of Germany. This is a popular movement of the Turkish people, where they almost all support independence, and will fight to get what they want.

Let's say Germany takes up arms against them, similar to what you have done. Let us imagine that they formed the majority of the people in Dusseldorf, a region of the state of North Rhine-Westphalia in Western Germany. We take up arms against them, which is all good and all. And after that, Germany starts rounding up and shooting every single person who is associated with this organization.

What would that accomplish? Well, it could accomplish one of two things. It could end up massacring a lot of the people. We would be essentially unintentionally wiping out a large segment of the people, similar to you-know-what in the 1930s and 1940s.

It could also accomplish permanent hatred. That just alienates the people of that region, even those who support being a part of Germany. That would end up accomplishing nothing, except for the fact that Germany has probably alienated the few who wanted to be German, and this could possibly make the movement last, we may even lose.

I am pretty sure you wouldn't stand there and clap as we start massacring people, especially the largest ethnic minority of our nation(which happen to be Turk). I am pretty sure you would protest in the same way as us, because we are starting a war and killing anyone who opposes us and our views.

As you think about that, remember that you haven't given anybody anything- no trial, no nothing. Just execution. Germany just was hit with terrorist attacks, and we won't be rounding up every Arab who supported the attack and executing them. Why? Because that is just flat out inhumane.

Germany still supports working with Turkey, bilaterally and multilaterally through NATO and the EU. However, we will not support the merciless killing of people who may have opposed your government, and just killing all the people you have captured because they fought against you. Just like you would not support us, and you shouldn't, if we did the exact same thing.


Re: Atrocities in Kurdistan


Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:38 am Post
They were put on trial.

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In one video recording posted on youtube three Turkish soldiers can be seen lining up around 15 Kurdish men against a wall after they were sentenced to death by a military court for serving the PKK army.


These men were put on trial, found guilty and executed. Justice was done.


Re: Atrocities in Kurdistan


Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:10 pm Post
Its not a matter of if they were guilty or not its a matter of how it was done! You don't see US forces rounding up people in Iraq or Afghanistan and blowing their brains out do you? Don't just stop this for a month stop this now!


Re: Atrocities in Kurdistan


Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:59 pm Post
As I have said the executions have been ordered to stop. Now will America stand by its word or will Turkey be forced into a situation we should never have found ourselves when NATO decided to forget its promises.
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